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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-3 12:17 | 显示全部楼层
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红色的a,b 标注内的价格波动,具有扩张性倾斜三角形的波动特征,因此,推测这一部分很可能是一个倾斜三角形的波动形态。
如果属实,是不能单独作为一个完整的修正结构与形态(规则:修正形态,除了三角形之外,只能是三浪结构)。

至于价格从1665附近到2100附近,是否是5 - 3 - 5 结构,还是 5 - 3 -5 - 3 - 5 结构,非常不肯定。




可能性的猜测,多多益善。
不过,需要了解到,在猜测之后,还有一个逐步论证的过程,这样形成的结果,才能称之为推测。


如何在最短的时间内,判别波动形态?
恐怕除了扎实的基础,加上足够多量的反复练习以求量变到质变之外,没有更好的捷进方法。

上面,我提及了大约有100个上下的规则与指导准则,了解这些是基础要求之一。
你可以尝试归纳。
不过,如果非常认真的话(类似进行有责任性的研究课题那样),恐怕也需要大约3个月到半年时间。
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发表于 2009-1-3 21:32 | 显示全部楼层
非常感谢鲨版的指导,人说千人千浪,确实是划分的方法太多了,可只能有一个是正确的,在不断论证,不断修改的过程中,波浪已经越走越远了,等真的修正完了,波浪也走完了,在这个过程中,实际操作很难有一个连续正确的过程,这就是波浪理论最难以解决的问题呀, 不知道下一番苦功后,能不能在第一时间就识别出是什么浪
发表于 2009-1-3 23:10 | 显示全部楼层
老师 这是一个预测美股趋势 可信度多大?
Our 2009 Predictions

Roger Wiegand   Dec 22 2008 1:23PM



"We think we now have enough data from both the fundamentals and technicals to make some serious forecasts and predictions for 2009. While 2008 was a nasty year when lots of things imploded, they are far from being repaired. Treasury Secretary Paulson told us this week there are no more surprises, which tells me we haven't even discovered but a small portion of this monster derivative mess. His ripping-off of the taxpayers to the tune of $700 billion is only a warm-up. However, the larger question for traders and investors is what could happen next and when.

In the following report we take the key global economic points and suggest the outcome for 2009." -Traderrog

The most important news for 2008 was the destruction of the big global banks' net worth and their badly wounded ability to conduct normal business and make market-moving loans. Ben & Hank's bailout only helped the bad-boy banks reliquify themselves to remain somewhat solvent and stay in business. They are doing nothing to extend credit to any business enhancing western or global economies. The 2009 result will be no significant banker lending, taking more bailout money and sweeping additional bad loans of all stripes under the banker's rug and hiding the rest in back rooms.

The largest surprise in our view was the massive disaster at insurance giant AIG. Despite numerous injections of bailout billions, AIG remains in very serious trouble hanging on by their proverbial fingernails. The 2009 result will be a surprise crash and failure of AIG frightening the world at large causing ripples of failures throughout western and Asian nations unable to conduct business without mandatory insurance policies. Most folks have no comprehension as to the monster fallout this will create. It is in our view literally immeasurable, and this is why Paulson handed them so much money.

Our new president is determined to hand out $860 Billion to One Trillion dollars in a Herculean effort to literally buy a new economic recovery. While some of his ideas are noble indeed the overall plan
will have little effect and Great Depression II shall take hold in 2009 with crashing stock markets in May and September-October 2009. We think the worst of the worst hits in later September 2009.

During the spring of next year we see:

(1) A second larger wave of residential housing mortgage failures; (2) The first big wave of auto loan failures and repossessions; (3) Over $40 billion in credit card defaults, smashing the bank lenders; (4) The first wave of commercial mortgage failures and foreclosures on shopping malls, office buildings and other commercials; (5) And finally, the grand smashing finale of CDS Credit Default Swaps originated with No margin money or down payments! We heard today the total is 500 trillion! I cannot even fathom that number. These five converging train wrecks could take the Dow from a dead cat bounce of 10400-10800 back to 7250, or even 6600, or 5600.

Shares traders and investors have one more solid quarter, in our view to regain some stock market losses on the forthcoming Obama Trillion Dollar handouts. We think the rising share markets will help most all sectors gain some recovery and provide the illusion the bottoms are in and new bases found. The stark reality hits home after shares peak in April or early May taking an unprecedented selling high dive scaring the wits out of Americans and the watching world.

Even with these events and rising unemployment and social problems, economic observers and analysts could continue to plead the worst is over, the bottoms are in and a fine, new, shiny world of trading and investing in our bright economy lies just ahead for the fall of 2009. Then, in later September and early October, the New York, London, Tokyo and Asian markets take a monster crash. How low is low and how bad can it get? We think the Dow could end-up on November 1st, 2009 anywhere from 5,600 to a low of 3,000 or even 1,500. One guideline will be a falling overshoot of PE's on our largest, so-called international corporations posting lows of 4 to7. Today, many of them are near 18. What does this tell us about the severity of our projections?

Unemployment nationally in the USA is now touching 16%. The officially posted number is somewhere near half of that. By the fall of 2009, American REAL UNEMPLOYMENT WILL BE NEAR THE ALLTIME 1930'S DEPRESSION HIGH OF 25% UNEMPLOYED. SADLY, THAT IS NOT THE WORST AS IT GETS MORE DIRE. WE PREDICT REAL, USA UNEMPLOYMENT REACHES 30-40%. IN THE RUST BELT STATES OF MICHIGAN AND OHIO, WHILE 40% IS NOT UNREALISTIC.

Several European nations have larger, more established social safety nets for the unemployed. In the USA, local, regional and national authorities are not nearly as prepared. The American federal government departments for food stamps and the job of providing welfare provisions will be overwhelmed. This will be a Katrina event for the hungry citizens of the United States. Urban areas will see skyrocketing crime and in parts of some cities, life could become totally uninhabitable.

The last report we've seen on those receiving food handouts and related welfare amounted to 11 million USA citizens with 700,000 children going hungry each day. We suspect the true amount of those needing food help will rise to 35,000,000 with an untold tragic number of them being little, defenseless children. Governments remain in denial and are not prepared for this national emergency whatsoever. As things worsen, food riots and others with violence aimed at the "haves' are common.

The number of bank failures over the next three years will be in the thousands. In addition, the US Dollar's valuation could break recent lows near 70.00 on the index, dropping to 46.00 by 2011 or 2012.
Inflation or potentially hyperinflation is quite real as the Federal Reserve and US Treasury strain to print and circulate cash to prod our stalled economy. It is simply not working even with the dramatically lower interest rates of late. Benny Bernanke is out of rate cut running room.

Consumers are broke and going broker. Households of interrelated families are doubling and tripling up even with several employed members being under one roof. Basic costs of rent, mortgage payments, health care, food, utilities and taxes are too much to bear on stagnant and in some cases falling wages. In some areas of America, there are entire subdivisions of homes totally abandoned or existing with only a hand full of occupants. The millions thrown at lenders for new mortgages are not getting through to buyers, as there are fewer of them. We are witnessing system breakdown.

Municipalities and states are sinking into a spending, debt-ridden morass. It was reported today that 22 of 50 USA states are in serious budgetary trouble. California is one of those in terrible condition and Michigan is already technically broke as are many of her cities. Detroit will file bankruptcy in 2009 and there will many other surprises as well. There will be a cascade of bond defaults and the outcome will cap the ability of these cities, states and counties to borrow ever more.

The shining light through all of this is the faster we find the bottom the faster we can recover. Sadly, the recovery process will take years. Futures and commodities traders should continue to earn steady profits as the stock markets slide into oblivion for years. We see no recovery until 2015.
发表于 2009-1-3 23:11 | 显示全部楼层
美元将回到46附近
道指回到3000-1xxx点

雷倒了!
发表于 2009-1-3 23:16 | 显示全部楼层

找到一个翻译的

发表于 2009-1-3 23:16 | 显示全部楼层
2009年经济灾难预测

Roger Wiegand(tigergoo翻译)

2008-12-22

“我们认为我们现在有足够的资料从基本面和技术面来对2009年做一些严肃的预报和预测。2008年是一个令人讨厌的年份,很多事情被引爆,并且还远远没有得到修复。财政部长保尔森告诉我们这个星期没有更多的惊喜,还告诉我,我们甚至还没有发现金融衍生怪物的一小部分。拿纳税人的7000亿美元仅仅是一个热身。对交易商和投资者来说,更大的问题是未来会发生什么以及何时发生。

在下面的报告中,我们将考虑全球经济的关键点,并预测2009年的结果。

2008年最重要的新闻是全球大型银行的净资产的解体以及他们对运作正常业务和提供市场流动性贷款的脆弱的自我修复能力。

伯南克和保尔森只帮助坏孩子银行恢复流动性以保持营业状态,而不把信贷扩张提供给西部或全球经济体的任何企业。

2009年的结果将是没有显著的银行贷款,采取更多的救助资金和撇清各种不良贷款。

我们认为最大的看点是保险业巨头美国国际集团(AIG)的巨大灾难。尽管多次注资数十亿美元拯救,AIG仍处于千钧一发之际。

2009年的结果将是AIG的意外坠落和失败威胁全球,导致整个西方国家和亚洲国家的保险业无法开展业务,除非使用强制保险政策。

大多数人不理解这个的怪物的滑落将产生什么后果。我们认为这几乎无法估量的,这就是为什么保尔森给他们这么多钱。

我们的新总统决心进行一项8600亿至1万亿美元的艰巨努力,以实现新的经济复苏,尽管他的一些想法的确是崇高,但总体规划将毫无效果,第二次大萧条仍将发生,股市将在2009年5月和9-10月间坠落。

我们认为最严重的打击将在2009年9月的晚些时候。

在明年春天,我们看到:

( 1 )第二波更大的住宅按揭违约浪潮;

( 2 )第一波汽车消费贷款违约的大浪;

( 3 )超过400亿美元的信用卡违约,将打击银行贷款;

( 4 )第一波购物商场、办公楼和其他商业地产的抵押贷款止赎权丧失;

( 5 )最后,无保证金资金或定金的CDS交易将上演华丽的终场乐章!我们今天听到的总数是500万亿美元!我甚至不能形容这个数字。

这五个融合的死亡列车将带着道琼斯指数从死猫跳的10400-10800回到7250 ,甚至6600,或5600。



股市交易者和投资者有一个更坚实的季度,我们认为即将到来的奥巴马万亿美元的施舍能够恢复一些股市的损失。

我们认为,提升股票市场将有助于让大多数部门获得一些恢复,并且提供了股市触底和发现新的基地的幻想。

严峻的现实是,股价在4月或5月上旬达到峰值后进行的前所未有的高台跳水吓得美国人和全世界不知所措。

即使这些事件和不断上升的失业率问题出现,经济观察家和分析家们继续会信誓旦旦地说最坏的时期已经过去,底部已经出现,一个良好的、新的、熠熠生辉的世界贸易和投资体系将在2009年秋季之前出现在我们光明的经济中。

然后,在9月末10月初,纽约,伦敦,东京和亚洲市场将发生一个巨大的崩溃。

多低才算低,多坏才是尽头?

我们认为,道琼斯可能在2009年11月1号终结,从5600附近跌至3000点,甚至1500点。跨国公司的市盈率(PE)将降至4-7。今天,他们中的大多数接近18。

这种严重性的预测告诉了我们什么?

美国现在全国失业率触及16 % ,官方公布的数字只是真实数字的一半。

到2009年秋天,美国的实际失业率将接近1930年代整个大萧条时期的水平即25 %,可悲的是,这并不是最严重的,我们预测美国真实的失业率将达到30-40 % 。在密歇根州和俄亥俄州,40 %的失业率也并非天方夜谭。

几个欧洲国家都为失业人士建立了更大更多的社会安全网。而美国国家当局几乎没有准备。

美国联邦政府提供食品券的部门和提供福利供应的工作将被淹没。这将是一次卡特里娜飓风对全美国饥饿公民的袭击。

城市地区将看到犯罪率暴涨,一些城市的部分地区则完全无法居住。

在最近的报告中,我们已经看到1100万美国公民接受粮食援助、70万儿童每天挨饿。我们怀疑接受粮食帮助的真实数字将达到3500万人,其中一些是幼小的、手无寸铁的儿童。政府仍然会否认,而且无论如何也不准备宣布全国紧急状态。随着事态恶化,针对富裕人群的粮食骚乱和其他暴力行为将司空见惯。

未来三年内银行倒闭的数量将达数千。另外,2011年或2012年,美元指数可能击破最近的低点70.00,下滑到46.00。

当联邦储备委员会和美国财政部拼命印刷和分发现金以刺激停滞不前的经济,甚至超低利率也失效时,通货膨胀或潜在的恶性通货膨胀就是很实际的。伯南克已经没有降息空间。

消费者将破产或走向破产。相互关联的家庭户数将增加一倍和两倍,甚至与一些雇员在同一个屋檐下。基本租金成本,按揭付款,医疗保健,食品,公用事业和税收负担过多,而工资却在持续下跌。

在美国的一些地区,大量的住宅完全被遗弃,或只有一部分人能够完全占有。数以百万计的新抵押贷款人没有获得通过,只有极少数人可以得到贷款。

我们正在目睹系统性崩溃。

市政府和国家陷入支出和债务缠身的困境。据报道,美国50个州中的22个有严重的预算问题。加州是其中可怕的一个,密歇根州在技术上已经破产。

底特律将在2009年破产,并且还将有更多的意外发生。将有一连串的债券违约,其结果将淹没这些城市、州和县,导致他们借钱越来越多。

这些闪耀光线越快通过,我们从底部开始复苏也会越快。可悲的是,复苏进程将需要经年。

在股票市场被遗忘了多年之后,期货和商品交易商会持续获得稳定的利润。

2015年之前我们将看不到复苏的迹象。
发表于 2009-1-3 23:17 | 显示全部楼层
*作者Roger Wiegand是Trade Tracks公司著名黄金分析师。

*另外,LEAP/E2020团队预警:2009年3月是金融危机急速恶化的转折点,2009年3月份,将与2008年9月的海啸一样严重,这次是全球大多数的养老金化为乌有。全世界到那时才会明白金融危机远比1930年代大萧条严重的多。LEAP/E2020团队预警:2009年夏全球货币体系垮塌,美元贬值90%

(LEAP/E2020团队是欧洲政治经济研究团队,自2007年以来对金融危机的研究和预警,大多数成为现实,其对时点有良好的预测。)
发表于 2009-1-3 23:19 | 显示全部楼层
假设这个预测成立

老师在麻省,是否有迹象?
 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-4 00:30 | 显示全部楼层

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著名的黄金分析师,这就有问题了。
推销买黄金,当然要将经济,金融形势说的一团糟。
因此,他的观点中立性不够!

CDS 不出问题,则其他问题解决的对策比较多。CDS 一出问题,那么,除了请来西方的上帝,没有人有合适解决的方法。

危机,还没有迹象已经终结。 房产价格稳定后,则形势将好转。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-4 00:38 | 显示全部楼层

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有一点,州政府在节省开支度难关。

不过,这算什么? 你们回顾一下,改革开放前,不是很多经济学家都说我们国家已经实际破产了吗? 几年前的俄罗斯也是如此境地。现在,这两个国家,不都是金砖四国中最具发展潜力的两个国家吗?

由此,可以看出破产不等于死亡。反而,活得更好。真可谓不破不立。
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